Curse

ensoriki · Apr 20, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Is there not one day where you people don't overreact and jump to conclusions? It's hardly been a few hours and people are already proclaiming how it's impossible to get gold for their armor already. Can we get some sense back into this place?

See im poor never gone above 10k in the 1.5 years I owned the game and I know from beating factions and stuff I probably made 20-30k in total. I had to upgrade my armor because 25 shing je armor doesnt cut it in Raisu Palace.

1.5k each 5 pieces 7.5k to make full piece if my armors correct, but materials are costly so add another 3/4k to that 11k out of 20 lets say leaves me with 9k

I change my armor because I was noobish and did not realize importance of Survivor/radiant Gear and can't afford it. SO I farm AB so that I can sell Amber to the merchant -_-.

Im poor so I also buy skills and stuff, and I want to pvp but I worked hard on my char so I try to use it for pvp, but it has too little skills to compete so I buy em. after you buy 10 skills all Skills are 1k each theres more than 30 skills for each proff so to get them all for 1 prof is about 100k each....please show me where your getting all this money in single factions and then if u want some nice armor because you like to look well....

Its just not possible anymore. I may never get FoW armor, knew that already but Im sure someone else could've.

Omega X · Apr 20, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

Is hard mode just a money sink for people trying to get a chest title? 1.5k for a key, mandatory if you want to open a chest in HM, the % that you will retain it is pretty low, and the CHEST DROPS ARE NO BETTER THAN NORMAL MODE.

Hehehe...

I was saying to someone earlier that the money made from Hard Mode will go right into the lock picks. And getting a "Tome" that unlocks already unlocked elites has little use to me, unless its to get UAX on one character.

brian78wa · Apr 20, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

wha wha wait...

So I can bring a bunch of heroes with me now

And let them all get killed... and then farm -_-

Well this sets the economy back to the stone ages -_-.

No you cant. They heroes will get the loot like normal. And if you send them away to where they are greyed out you STILL get less loot. this really pisses me off. This is how I make my money is by farming.

The Great Al · Apr 20, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

At 1.5k a pop, having a few tracks of TH and Lucky should boost the chance of the key not breaking to 50%, imo...that way after having a few title levels, the keys average out to 750 each.

Kool Pajamas · Apr 20, 2007, 05:42 AM // 05:42

This is awesome. Now there is a reason for doing fow/uw in groups of 8. This solo stuff ruined GW. Now maybe I'll consider pve again.

Shaolin_Steve · Apr 20, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Is there not one day where you people don't overreact and jump to conclusions? It's hardly been a few hours and people are already proclaiming how it's impossible to get gold for their armor already. Can we get some sense back into this place?

I've been reading these posts and am ready to throw my 2 cents in there. I've tried some of the new tweaks and was like many here enjoying hard mode after worrying it would be too much to do at once. My worries were unfounded its pretty cool.

I got back into the game in January after an 8 month layoff. Cantha had not agreed with me - Elona however was a godsend. I've been playing it for 4 months now and am still not bored. Many many things to do - titles to acquire. I even started up HB last weekend with the faction doubling and had a really good time. But I support all these damn heroes and nifty armor sets with money from farming. I just started an ele and have spent the usual - 30k or so for 4 new heroes. I'm cranking thru the early Elona missions and see the update so I try my hand. I like the hard mode - beat Elona mission 1 easily - crappy drops. Get my ass handed to me in the gate of Pain hard mode, ok thats cool I'll try again with guildies.

I checked the forum, and sure enough - my farming points have been whacked with the big old Anet Nerf Bat (tm). The biggest nerf of all I would agree with whoever said that. I don't want to be a dramatic sniffler, bit damn that really took the wind outta my sails.

What it means to me is I save time I woudlve farmed, but I lose out on most all greens, cool weaps, cool armors, etc.. I can live with that - but my time spent on GW will likely dwindle, then drop to nothing.

Just in time for summer!

Bryant Again · Apr 20, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

It looks like the scaling system is based on a max party. The Hard Mode enemies in Ascalon with a four person party drop the same amount of gold - 100 to 120 - at around the same rate as the later areas of the game with an 8 person party. I was able to make about 5k in 30 minutes because of this (that included merchant food).

It looks like my new farming spots are starting areas.....I never thought I'd be doing that...

And also, since this thread is about the update in general, I'd like to claim that the sound is pretty glitchy. I'm hearing half the sounds I used to at max settings.

cellardweller · Apr 20, 2007, 05:47 AM // 05:47

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

I have no clue if this has already been explained but the loot scaling was done for these reasons:

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

-Distribution of wealth. The majority of people who don't farm will now get more loot and wealth simply by playing.

If anything, the distribution of wealth will widen now. The rich are already rich and now the poor have no way to make up the difference.

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

-Discouraging farm bots. 'Nuff said.

If I was running a bot farming factory, I would just be sending out my bots in teams of 8 now, netting 0 change in my income.

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

-Encourage more PUGs and human teams in general. People have been complaining about lack of people to team up with. Now there's an incentive.

It encorages large teams, It does nothing to encorage human teams.

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

So who cares if solo farming has been nerfed. It has always been the lowest form of gameplay anyway.

Its been a pastime of thousands while they wait for people to play with.

The Ernada · Apr 20, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

If anything, the distribution of wealth will widen now. The rich are already rich and now the poor have no way to make up the difference.

Why would they need to "make up the difference?" It's not a competition and e-peen contest. And the poor will have more gold than they did before just from playing the game. The poor are poor because they dont farm.

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

If I was running a bot farming factory, I would just be sending out my bots in teams of 8 now, netting 0 change in my income.

And that team of 8 will have much less profit than they did before when they were solo farmers from before. I mean if the change in income was 0, then why are you solo farmers complaining instead of teaming up with others then?

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

It encorages large teams, It does nothing to encorage human teams.

As I said before, mileage varies from person to person. Some prefer to play with people. Some prefer A.I. But it won't be solo farming anymore.

sumasage · Apr 20, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Also dont forget that the average drop rate for rares has increased for Hard Mode:
While normal mode is even easier to farm now:

It is easier to farm but you get 1/8 chance of getting a drop vs before you get 8/8 chances to get the drop. If drops are better in hard mode then they wasted their time fixing the "random" drop issue.

Playing with hero/hench is enjoyable because they dont leave (due to whatever reason) or act stupid. I enjoy playing with hero/hench because i can explore at my own pace and not worry about wasting other people's time.

Hope some official will clear thing up soon.

CyberNigma · Apr 20, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by JR

A solo farmer will now get 1/8th of the loot they used to.

I think that is clearly enough.

or a full part of 8 gets 8 more than they used to.. it could go either way, though I haven't tested to see which is true...

brian78wa · Apr 20, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

Solo Farming is not dead dudes

Take your henchies, But don't make them fight

Just leave them somewhere around the area, you still get your loot.

Wrong. you still only get 1/8th drops. I tried it with dead sword farming out of each group of 8 spirits I have been getting 1-3drops.

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Originally Posted by Hiotoko

Flag henchies off your map and you're set.

Again wrong.

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

Basically it looks like they levelled the playing feild and some die hard farmers will not be happy.. Me personally, I couldn't give a rats ... LOL

Once you get rid of the loot monster in your soul, you like the game a whole lot more

Actually solo farming was part of the fun in the game and now they take it away. Seems like theyre getting rid of everything that made the game fun. I for one am not having much fun these days.

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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

OK, I just tried to flag heros/henchies away, no matter what you only get 1/8 of the drops.

This has pretty much taken the fun out of game, maybe it is too early to tell, but I enjoy soloing, and now I am being punished for it.

100% agree

Solo farming has always been fun to do and this is how alot of people get there money for there armor,weapons, heroes etc. Now this is gone. So now you have to be in a group of 8 to have a slight chance at getting something.
I know when I go in groups I rarely get anything. Soloing was my only means of money. Not only that but I dont like going in groups cause half the people that play this game suck royally. I do not like having to depend on some idiot who thinks a necro should be wielding a bow(and not for pulling). Leave normal mode alone and make these really BAD changes in hardmode.

Shaolin_Steve · Apr 20, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

If I was running a bot farming factory, I would just be sending out my bots in teams of 8 now, netting 0 change in my income.

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

And that team of 8 will have much less profit than they did before when they were solo farmers from before. I mean if the change in income was 0, then why are you solo farmers complaining instead of teaming up with others then?

I have to agree with Ernada, even if I don't agree with any of his opinions. What's more efficent?

-1 solo player making 8/8 drops (before the nerf)
-8 players making 1/8 each for a total of 8/8 (after the nerf)

Seems to be 1/8 as much output per player. Now they should kill faster of course, but not likely 8x as fast. So they will be far less efficient.

Shaolin_Steve · Apr 20, 2007, 06:05 AM // 06:05

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

or a full part of 8 gets 8 more than they used to.. it could go either way, though I haven't tested to see which is true...

No they don't. see post above....

ensoriki · Apr 20, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Why would they need to "make up the difference?" It's not a competition and e-peen contest. And the poor will have more gold than they did before just from playing the game. The poor are poor because they dont farm.
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lol, talk about how who cares about this and now your going there poor because they dont farm.... well they cant now anyways.

Its not about being a competition With global Inflation NEW comers can't catch up to afford anything.

If lets say RUbies went up to 15k each now instead of the 5 they were before, well a new comer could find a way to farm up the distance, Not the case now.

And you barely get gold from playing the game other than missions and quests.

1) A LOT of the quests are BLOOOOOODY BORING, see that I did a english thing I said Bloody.

2) You can't keep getting mission rewards!

3)no fat chic-...

When people can't keep up with the inflation theres a problem because now all the market circles in a group while every1 else looks around for scraps...it's what I've been doing.

Abarra · Apr 20, 2007, 06:08 AM // 06:08

OK look at it like this

You buy GW

YOu play through with a few characters - k fine so far

then what?

hmm time to get some nice armor so you need to farm... oh youcan't cos it's been nerfed and to get 15k armor you need to give up my life to farm now and you're not doing that and for FoW armor well forget it...

OK so you go play wow or some other game that has some longevity and the ability to get some cash.

Anet have just taken the longevity out of their game, the only thing that keeps their customers going to the next expansion or the new GW2. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Anet

The Ernada · Apr 20, 2007, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Ok I might have sounded harsh against anyone who liked farming. I have nothing against it and I have nothing against people who like farming. But you have to realize that it has the lowest priority compared to everything else in the game. If ANET wants to solve the bot problem and give more wealth to people who play the game normally while screwing solo farming, you'll just have to accept that.

cellardweller · Apr 20, 2007, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Why would they need to "make up the difference?" It's not a competition and e-peen contest. And the poor will have more gold than they did before just from playing the game. The poor are poor because they dont farm.

Because everyone operates in the same market, a player without access to the comparable amounts of wealth will never be able to afford the same items because they'll get out bid every time.

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

And that team of 8 will have much less profit than they did before when they were solo farmers from before. I mean if the change in income was 0, then why are you solo farmers complaining instead of teaming up with others then?

There is no reason for a team of 8 bots to have any less profit. They are all soloing their own mobs independent of one another. Solo farmers on the other hand enjoy the freedom of solo farming, as is their perogative. A bot does not need to enjoy it self.

The Ernada · Apr 20, 2007, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

lol, talk about how who cares about this and now your going there poor because they dont farm.... well they cant now anyways.

Who says they need to farm at all to afford anything now? And what's a better system? A system where you can afford stuff just by playing the game normally doing quests and missions. Or a system where you HAVE to farm just to afford stuff?

bam23 · Apr 20, 2007, 06:15 AM // 06:15

They handled it the wrong way imo.